{"id":10808,"date":"2025-09-25T09:40:21","date_gmt":"2025-09-25T07:40:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pragueartweek.cz\/?p=10808"},"modified":"2025-09-25T15:12:52","modified_gmt":"2025-09-25T13:12:52","slug":"interview-with-jakub-jansa-and-pavla-malinova-about-the-gridfall-exhibition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pragueartweek.cz\/en\/news\/interview-with-jakub-jansa-and-pavla-malinova-about-the-gridfall-exhibition\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVIEW WITH JAKUB JANSA AND PAVLA MALINOV\u00c1 ABOUT THE GRIDFALL EXHIBITION"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2><b>If your artistic work were a cycling race, would it be a fast sprint, a tough mountain stage, or a never-ending time trial?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Pavla: Since with every small exhibition success I think I\u2019ve reached the finish line\u2014but I\u2019m always wrong\u2014it\u2019s probably more like an endless mountain stage. I paint quality, not quantity.<\/p>\n<p>Jakub: I\u2019m a sprinter thrown into an endurance stage with no finish line. The race profile is distinctly bipolar\u2014drawn-out climbs followed by sudden, steep descents. I\u2019m pretty sure that\u2019s a professional diagnosis. I just haven\u2019t figured out which organizer I should convince to change the route.<\/p>\n<h2><b>You are exhibiting together in the Laichter House. How do your works enter into dialogue with each other, and where does tension arise between them?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Pavla: Jakub and I are exhibiting together for the first time, both presenting finished works, so our dialogue unfolds primarily through strong visual language. My paintings are certainly not as political as Jakub\u2019s videos. They are more on a personal level of experiences. But when I see clips from the movie <i>Pumpkinville<\/i>, I feel like transforming and repainting moments from the video onto the canvas. Yeah, I like our combo.<\/p>\n<p>Jakub: I actually don\u2019t understand why we\u2019re only exhibiting together now. We have known each other for 15 years. We ride bikes together and can talk quite openly about everything. Tension is the last thing I know in my relationship with Pavla. Rather, it\u2019s about sharing our journey together from Ostrava. I\u2019m really looking forward to our exhibition; it\u2019s this kind of easy, unproblematic excitement.<\/p>\n<h2><b>Both of you work with strong visuality and symbolism in your art. Where does the boundary between narrative and purely visual play begin for you?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Pavla: It\u2019s different with every painting; sometimes the narrative isn\u2019t that strong, so I have to be more visual.<\/p>\n<p>Jakub: Currently, I shoot one film a year. In the preparation phase, I work more with text\u2014the narrative. It gradually takes on a visual form as well. Masks, the set, and costumes\u2014which are designed by my partner Karol\u00edna Ju\u0159\u00edkov\u00e1\u2014have to be prepared. However, I also leave some room for visual play during the filming itself, when individual scenes are adjusted. It\u2019s fun and stressful at the same time because you have a crew of 30 people behind you, and you have to make decisions really quickly. More creative shaping happens during post-production or when installing the exhibition.<\/p>\n<h2><b>Do you perceive your works as autonomous objects, or rather as part of a broader, open exhibition environment?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Jakub: The latter. I am interested in the exhibition as a whole. The audience\u2019s experience and the environment with its hidden dramaturgy are important to me.<\/p>\n<p>Pavla: In this case, definitely more as a mutual play for the viewers.<\/p>\n<h2><b>How important is narrativity to you\u2014is the work more of a depiction, or does it trigger a process of imagination?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Jakub: When a story is created, images are revealed simultaneously. They shape each other immediately and spontaneously. It\u2019s hard to limit and separate them.<\/p>\n<p>Pavla: Currently, I work a lot with photography, which I edit and collage. But before, I used to paint based on my quick sketches. I would peel off paint, layer it, and repaint the image over and over, so in the end, it was a very imaginative process. I really relate to this way of working.<\/p>\n<h2><b>When you think about the viewer, do you tend to guide them, or do you deliberately leave room for disorientation and personal interpretation?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Pavla: I think about the viewer more during solo exhibitions, where I consistently work on a single theme. But honestly, I realize that my paintings aren\u2019t all that easy to read, so there\u2019s plenty of room for personal interpretation.<\/p>\n<p>Jakub: To guide, to confuse, to let wander, but also to help or to set false trails. I like it when each person has a different experience; I don\u2019t try to make everyone see the same thing. At the same time, I have to make sure the viewers have enough motivation to engage in the shared detective-interpretive game.<\/p>\n<h2><b>Painting and installation\u2014the two media you represent\u2014are historically very different. Do you still see a significant boundary between them today?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Pavla: If they are as playful and visual as Jakub\u2019s video installation and my paintings, I don\u2019t see a boundary between them.<\/p>\n<p>Jakub: I thought video art was already retro, but compared to painting, it\u2019s still technological sci-fi. Galleries struggle with how to turn on the TV and ensure the film plays continuously throughout the exhibition. Logistically, it\u2019s a much bigger hassle than working with painting.<\/p>\n<h2><b>How do you incorporate elements of play, irony, or absurdity into your work\u2014and when does seriousness and an existential tone take over?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Pavla: It probably depends on the state I\u2019m in. I really like the element of play and irony. I often hear now: \u201cBut your paintings are no longer as playful and funny as they used to be.\u201d Or: \u201cDo you have to keep painting those two lovers over and over again?\u201d And things like that. If I\u2019m relaxed and just paint purely painterly pictures without humor, but also without an existential stance, and only repaint the process of painting, I get bored. I need to alternate between those stances.<\/p>\n<p>Jakub: Ugh, that\u2019s a tough one. That existential anguish is constantly present, but humor helps it to rise up to some form of communication or sharing. Humor is a normative tool; I perceive its political function more than some frivolous lightheartedness. I also notice how it changes strategically and ideologically. Provocation and irony have today been stolen by an extremely conservative world. But that doesn\u2019t mean humor is finished; it must be reinvented for the next stages of the struggle (if I stick to your cycling vocabulary).<\/p>\n<h2><b>What kind of soundtrack do you think should accompany the <i>Gridfall<\/i> exhibition\u2014if it were turned into a film?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Pavla: I\u2019m not sure, but <i>Vertigo<\/i> by the French artist Para One was playing in my studio yesterday. Atmospheric music with no crap.<\/p>\n<p>Jakub: The soft bubbling of aquarium fish, paired with the soothing whisper of a home fountain. From time to time, the unbearably loud opening of <i>Blan\u00edk<\/i>\u2014the sixth and final symphonic poem in Smetana\u2019s <i>My Fatherland<\/i> cycle\u2014would erupt.<\/p>\n<h2><b>And finally: if you had to express in one sentence what a visitor should take away from the <i>Gridfall<\/i> exhibition, what would it be?<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>Pavla: Nothing is as it seems.<\/p>\n<p>Jakub: You\u2019ll find out in the Celeryman\u2019s final monologue in the film <i>Pumpkinville<\/i>.<\/p>\n<h3>You can visit the<a href=\"https:\/\/pragueartweek.cz\/udalosti\/gridfall\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Gridfall<\/a> exhibition at Laichter House anytime during Prague Art Week25 or during an evening meeting with both artists, which will take place on September 27 at 6 p.m.<\/h3>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If your artistic work were a cycling race, would it be a fast sprint, a tough mountain stage, or a never-ending time trial? Pavla: Since with every small exhibition success I think I\u2019ve reached the finish line\u2014but I\u2019m always wrong\u2014it\u2019s probably more like an endless mountain stage. I paint quality, not quantity. 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